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The Circles of Figure Hell: Avarice/Abusive Pricing photo

Welcome back to the horrifying descent into Figure Hell!

We've gone through three circles, but we still got a ways to go. We've nailed bad design, tacky figures and limited editions, but our latest challenge puts all the others to shame! The overpricing of statues, both PVC and vinyl, is something that has been a constant thorn in the side of collectors since the advent of the hobby. Many think it's an inevitability, but is it really? Follow me after the jump to dissect the wizened form of Avarice.

Collecting figures and toys is an expensive hobby, no ifs, ands or buts about it. Even if you are ultimately discerning and only purchase vinyl from certain artists or statues from certain shows, it's going to cost you quite a bit. The average PVC statue retails over $50, and on Tomopop I've seen custom vinyls go from $80 to $800. I can't think of many other hobbies that have such huge barriers to entry.

I started out collecting trading figures and worked my way up to scaled statues, but in that time, I've seen quite a change in the scene. For one thing statues and figures have become so much easier to get. Not to pull out the old "Back in MY day..." line, but I used to have trouble finding stuff up for decent prices. Yeah, I had my local anime shop, but they had a helluva mark up on their statues, putting them way out of the range of a high school/college kid's weekly salary. I remember having to wait weeks at a time to buy various Onegai Teacher blind boxes to eventually get the chase Mizuho, and even then that was only possible because they were on clearance. About a year after I started collecting is when I found sites like Anime Castle and Play-Asia that had entire sets for sale at a discount, saving me at least $20 for every set.

 

Of course, that was only the beginning. Once I bought my first scaled figures (a wedding dress Mizuho and what was found later to be a bootleg Ichigo from Bleach), there was no going back. The difference in detail and quality with these wondrous bits of PVC were dramatic to say the least. Instead of barely sculpted faces and average paint jobs, I got some figs that had some actual work put into them. Hell, even the bootleg Ichigo looked great, only revealing its insidious nature after being taken apart during my move. Again, my local anime shop had a couple of larger figures that I could sink my (broke) teeth into, but I quickly outgrew them and moved online to the aforementioned sites. These sites provided me with these figs at a decent discount ... until I started buying even higher end figures. After spending about $85 on my Alteliar Sai Yuki Nagato, I found the same figure on Hobby Link Japan for at least $15 less. At that point, I understood that I didn't do enough research and that this hobby doesn't have to be ridiculously expensive.

That is, until I discovered the higher end companies. Good Smile, Alter, Eye Up/Uplark, Max Factory and Megahouse have superior quality in terms of sculpts and paint jobs, but you pay a bit extra for that quality. Paying a little more for the quality is alright, but sometimes the buyer ends up paying upwards of $20 or more for this quality. I can't tell you how killer that is for average person. You're already investing a TON of money on this hobby and now the best figures out there are being driven further out of your financial range just because these companies can? Ugh.

 

Even worse is the after-market on these things. eBay is nice if you're desperate and absolutely flush with cash. Colette Bennett pops in here, saying that "I think Good Smile pricing is fair for the quality, same with Alter. What kills me is after market pricing -- I am most certainly NOT paying $150 for a figure that released at $60, and it's this type of gouging that drives me nuts. It makes it impossible to add certain pieces to your collection unless you want to be raped for them, and while I may be a slave to PVC, I won't go that far."

Brian Szabelski has the same beef. "Take, for example, the white version of Kaiyodo's Cammy figure. I'm not buying it because I'm not into the whole tan look of the figure, but some of the prices are ridiculous.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Street-Fighter-ZERO-3-CAPCOM-1-6-Figure-Cammy-White-/170444952552?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27af4f93e8

This figure retailed for $70 when it released with three other almost identical versions. Yes, it's from a few years back and not always easy to find, but $558?!?!?!?! You have GOT to be kidding me. There's a custom garage kit version I've seen that sells for less than that. Thank goodness the blue and pink ones are a little easier to find (though you do have sort through a lot of knockoffs and I'm in the process of doing that), but that's just egregious. And of course, we can all talk about the BRS aftermarket, too, as well as for other figures. The problem isn't just with vinyl, but other than not buy these overpriced figures and hope no one else is desperate enough to fall for some of these traps, there's not much we can do.
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It's kind of hard to argue against the aftermarket. While it is ridiculously expensive, people aren't saying no with their pockets. From what I was told prices at Anime Expo were ridiculous, with the original Black Rock Shooter going for well over $150 and people were actually paying that much for it. It's a long fall from the time of our youth when you could go to a toy store for a figure and not have to worry about ridiculous mark ups. Andres Cerrato: "For a lot of people, prices have gotten ridiculous with action figures. I'm sure a lot of us remember running to Toys R Us or KB Toys and getting a 6" Marvel Legends figure for $7.99, Joes for $4.99, etc. etc. Today, we're looking at $8 for 3.75" Marvel Universe figures with inferior sculpts and articulation when compared to what most people were used to at that price point. 6" figures now go for $13 in the case of the Iron Man line, $15 for DCUC and MotU by Mattel. Although the price of oil is double what it was in 2003, you can't help but feel like you're being taken advantage of with those prices."

 

This is also applicable for resin statues. In fact, I'd hazard to say that exorbitant pricing is the norm in with high end model kits. Chris Seto comments on one murderously priced kit: "All I can say is Volks 1/4 scale Resin kits. Yeah, I expect them to be more expensive than the usual sizes but c'mon!! KOS-MOS was just painful in terms of pricing and none of the other 1/4 scale kits have come close to her price! (Didn't stop me from getting one though.)"

He also chimes in on the PVC scene. "Alter have been lowering their prices recently compared to before but from what I have heard, their build quality has taken a little dip to balance things out. like the pegs on the accessories breaking more easily. It's getting harder to find that balance between a fair price and solid workmanship while pushing things along with new gimmicks and more dynamic poses." Striking that balance between price and quality is always difficult, but I do have to say that Alter's prices tend to be quite high, so if it's just a tad bit cheaper then I don't mind. I don't tend to buy Alter figures, so I can't comment on any sort of drops of quality.

That's it for this segment. Good luck out there and keep those wallets safe!


The Circles of Figure Hell: Avarice/Abusive Pricing photo
The Circles of Figure Hell: Avarice/Abusive Pricing photo
The Circles of Figure Hell: Avarice/Abusive Pricing photo
The Circles of Figure Hell: Avarice/Abusive Pricing photo


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I only buy figures when they are really discounted. My cut off is 35 percent. I wait till toys and action figures are at least 25 percent before even considering a purchase. All together I probably save 200 bucks a year, but that means waiting for a long time before clearance sales show up.
The quality of blind box figures were always pretty piss-poor and the going rate has usually been a rip-off. Generally I've also always viewed the entire high-end static market as being overpriced (sure, the material costs, but so many sculpts are just so basic...) and then the secondary market can be obscene (which more stems from the tiny releases, a problem also seen with DCUC at this point). As for "lower end" items like Figmas/Revoltechs, generally they're sort of expensive but then that price is further compounded by shipping fees (both lines have a lot of figures I wouldn't mind picking up, but most just don't thrill me enough to pay close to $40 at times for them)

Even the Western stuff feels really jacked half the time. Although a lot of people will talk about Marvel Legends being like $8 at one point, I don't think I really saw it for less than $10 but I held off starting to collect DCUC back when they opened with a $13 price point which has since then become $15. The justification there might've been, "Oh yeah, but you're also getting parts to assemble another figure!" but they keep that mark-up even for "waves" that don't feature a CNC (like the All-Stars) and CNCs themselves have gone from 5 piece unique sculpts to 6 piece partly recycleds (which didn't bother me so much with Brimstone/Kilowog, but then Validus also looks to be using most of the same parts and I suspect even the rumored Bane will sport the same albeit in a larger scale). However, few things piss me off as much as MU considering they recycle the same two body-sculpts half the time, feature terrible paint jobs, and have the gall to retail for close to $8 in most places when comparable lines (even internal ones, like IM2) are going for $6 or $7. NECA and its pricing is more understandable, but I'm really not a fan of most of their products and the variance in production is just silly at times.

There's quite a lot of stuff I just won't buy on general principle. Although I've wanted Avatar TLA figures, I won't pay $8 for the crappy ones out right now (whoever made them didn't even bother doing the eyes right, ugh). I shied away from MU for the longest time and even now I really don't touch the line (partly because the generally superior MLS/SS figures are available for a comparable price). I don't think I'm going to bother buying DCUC at retail until they price-drop (then again, somewhat moot considering how late my area gets most waves).
I only buy figures when they are really discounted. My cut off is 35 percent. I wait till toys and action figures are at least 25 percent before even considering a purchase. All together I probably save 200 bucks a year, but that means waiting for a long time before clearance sales show up.


Meh, unfortunately that's not an option with a lot of imports. It's usually more of a buy-or-miss thing (excluding the secondary, even more expensive market).

I sorta follow that same policy with a lot of Western lines, because non-regular toy lines always end up on clearance and TRus/Target will have occasional sales while Wal-Mart price breaks to move product. A lot of that is also just a if I can't get it for a certain price then I don't want it thing, too.
Im not overly picky about rare or expensive figures origin as long as the quality is good. For example Id rather pay a third of the price for KOS-MOS 1/4 figure from hobbyfan sparkle instead of some $600 for the Volks version. Sure, this mindset makes other figure collectors gasp in disgust but I don't care, and my wallet stays happy, kinda. Not to mention, buying remakes like that is sometimes the only way to get a rare figure.
Honestly, the pricing is the main reason I don't bother with static PVCs. Given that the quality of articulated figures has improved enough that you can get a highly-posable Figma or Figuarts that's only slightly less detailed than a PVC for only $20-$30, I feel that posables are the way to go.

However, I feel that the most overpriced toys out there are vinyls. They usually cost about $5 each to produce, then they sell them for $50-$150 a pop. They make them in small quantities to artificially raise demand, and attach the names of artists to them to boost their "hipster-cred." WTF, man?
Fortunately, I have the tenacity to spend hours online looking for good prices. However, some figures just seem to be can never have, like the QB megahouse Alice. I love the figure, but damned if I'm going to pay $300 for her. The most expensive figure I've bought is actually one I currently have on order, which is a handpainted garage kit (Kanu Unchou 2020) which is costing me $187 shipped. I think that's fair considering it's highly detailed, 1/6th scale, and hand-painted. The markup on prepainted PVCs is just beyond absurd.
Too bad Orannis, I had that Alice figure and sold her for double the cost, mint in box. :P And i have never seen her sell for 300 dollar but to those that don't wish to look around. Nobody that is really looking for it will buy her for that much, unless you mean the exclusive repaint of her, which is not much a repaint as well. But yeah, I'm guilty of this practice and it got me more figures in the process. That is where I look at it.
I feel like I've done something wrong here since almost everything in my collection is made by Alter, Max Factory, or Good Smile Company. I limit what I buy so that I can afford these higher priced items, I've yet to be disappointed in what I've received but I do find the pricing to be a little obscene.

There's a total flipside to this, as I do wander through discount sections of local anime stores as well as other places like Toys R Us and 2nd hand shops. Every now and again it's refreshing to get something fun and cheap despite the quality difference from the higher end stuff.

Figure collecting was beyond me in a big way until I finished school, and that part was frustrating in a lot of ways as I missed out on some releases that I likely won't get a chance at again (Sorry but I"m not paying eBay prices on Alter Aegis. No. Way.)
Personally as long as the stuff I buy looks really good I don't mind a somewhat higher price. Of course that is within reasonable means. As much as I LOVED the look and detail on that 1/4th scale KOS-MOS I could not justify paying the asking price(which i think was 600 bucks at the time)

Normally I only get figures from the higher end companies and I do a bit of research before i buy so I tend to not be let down by lack of quality.

If I buy something else it better be cheap and sometimes I am shocked at the quality I can get for so little money. A Saki Kusekabe figure for example was a mere 20 bucks but shocked me with how good it looked.
I actually haven't bought a figure since I started reading Tomopop. If anything, Tomopop has made me more wary of what I drop my very little amount of cash on... Because before I started reading here, I thought the stuff on eBay that wasn't $200 was... A good price. Then again, I only own one scaled PVC piece. I consider myself a hardcore collector, but... It's not something I can do with my negative-none income right now. I hope to be able to expand my collection in the future, putting parts of paychecks aside to pay for a figure I've been bouncing in anticipation to get, but the prices and after-market value make it really hard to get the things I want without breaking the bank.

I feel really lucky that my only big piece is an Alter one, then! She is beautiful, and I wouldn't want anything more, even if it would be a little bit cheaper. It's only a little more than what I paid for my Suzaku Kururugi Figma- he was a WonFes exclusive and has only gotten MORE expensive since then. (I also bought a $25 Max Factory Haruhi Suzumiya for my little brother. She's okay quality, and might be a fake, but, he's satisfied!)

I wish this wasn't such an expensive hobby... Or I wish that I had been spared from it. But now I know I can never go back to not lusting for tiny women made of PVC.
It was the reserve or regret that got me into this hobby. I usually don't care too much for having the latest of whatever, so for example, with video games I will wait until it's $10-15 on a steam sale rather than play it right away. But with figurines this technique often doesn't work, it's either a preorder or nothing.
It's especially bad when combined with my anime fandom, since most shows aren't popular enough to have more than a couple of figures (if that) so if one is spectacular I have to have it... it's always the Alter and GSC that are spectacular too. I also have no interest in nendoroids or figmas (despite their increased photo oppurtunities), so I really jumped in the deep end with this cost wise.

So far it isn't too bad though, the high price limits my choice to only what I really want. The more impressive my statue collection ends up looking (in terms of quality over quantity) the better in my opinion.

I do want preorders to move into next year though so that I can buy more haha.
I came to terms earlier this year that my collection was never going to be high in quantity so I decided to stick to quality with a smaller collection. Most of the toys I want are born of a love for the source material first. For example, I've been trying to get the majority of the Persona 3 and 4 PVC (well, just one of each character- so no Rise swimsuits, and just the Figma of Aegis). Alter's 1/8 Elizabeth is always $500+ on ebay. and is one of the only ones left I really want, so I'm not ashamed to admit I jumped on an auction where I got it for $125 (and felt like I got a deal! For shame...)

I also have to split my leisure money with video games, so getting to that point mentally where its OK to not have some toy that I really want was very important!
This reminds me of the trajectory I went through when I started buying my sister "Lost" figures for various holidays. I bought her "The Hatch" diorama back in 2008 for $42.44 (with shipping) off of Amazon. Now, frankly that was a steal, since it not only has the Hatch but mini figures of Jack, Locke, Hurley and Kate all set up in a cool diorama. Two years later, and the low price on Amazon is $109.98 without shipping.

Lost figures tend to vary greatly in collectibility. Locke is now listed at $88.88 while Jin, poor Jin, is still $19.99.

Of course, you never want to go to Amazon for sane pricing, but this was just a lazy "what can I get her that she doesn't already have that she'll like" kind of thing that pointed me toward Amazon.

I've managed to build a nice collection of Megahouse Queen's Blade figures in a very short time, thanks to a great sale at HLJ. I would never have paid the insane prices I've seen for some of those I've seen elsewhere.

Not even for Melona, and she's literally covered in slime *_*

I had to settle for her Revoltech.
Chris Seto's comment on Alter's quality got my attention. Are there any specific examples? I don't think they have any recent figure below 7000 JPY.

As of price, I don't think the market has gone beyond a reasonable level. At least with what I am familiar with (Japanese PVC figures).

True, PVC figure prices have continuously increased, but so has quality. And I could argue that, arguably in proportion to price. The average price in 2004 was 4000 yen, but you wouldn't get:

* More dynamic poses.
* More detailed sculpts.
* More detailed finish and painting.
* ABS legs and better support/balance.
* More common 1/7 and 1/6 scale.
* Very detailed bases.
* Accessories and other gimmicks.

The difference can be pretty staggering once you put figures next to each other.

Saber Lily next to Good Smile's Fate stay/night figures from 2005 show a huge improvement. Last year I was finally able to get GSC's Rider from 2004-2005. I almost regretted my purchase once I realized how less detailed she is

None of Kotobukiya's To Heart figures from 2003-2004 can really compare to Alter's Kouno Harumi.

I think the best example is how comparable current PVC is to older cold casts. I have a Kotobukiya Kazami Mizuho cold cast next to a GSC World is Mine Miku PVC. Material aside, their quality is very comparable. Considering that cold casts were hard to find and at least 120 USD each, I think current PVC's quality/price ratio is not too bad.

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The aftermarket will always be overpriced. That is the nature of niche items. eBay will always be eBay, but the internet has also provided other channels for trading. Tomopop community blogs, figure.fm and proxy services provide good options to find a good deal.

I have to admit, I have been tempted to sell my Starcraft II Tychus Findlay status after seeing it for more than 3000 USD on eBay :)
Ever since I started ordering direct from Japanese shops, I just feel that since I'm saving money, I can buy more! It's still plenty expensive, but when you go from dropping $150 at the dealer's room at a convention to just spending $100 for the same figure, it does add up. Granted, I don't necessarily shop around that much and I typically just buy from Hobby Search when I can, but it sure beats having to deal with the markup.

The worst case I had to deal with in regards to the aftermarket was the Solid Works 1/6 scale Aria figures. I got started on them at a convention when I picked up Akari for $100. Then I went to Japan and picked up Aika, Alicia, Alice, and Akira for $80 each. But try as I might, I could not find Athena at any shops, online or off, nor at any conventions. The only place I could find her was the dreaded eBay. I put it off for a year, hoping that I could luck out, but to no avail, so I finally broke down and paid....$450 for her. Yes, that one figure cost more than the other 5 combined. But, now I have the full set, so I'm happy.

Sometimes I think that perhaps I have a collecting addiction. Currently my figurine collection stands at over 200 pieces. At least half of those are little ones, like capsule figures and Nendie Petites, but I do have a fair amount of 1/8 to 1/4 scale pieces as well. I estimate the amount spent on them to be in the neighborhood of $10,000. It's no surprise to me where my money disappears to.


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